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Reply Jock Bruce
08:39 AM on June 22, 2008
It looks like some sense has come in to the notice board. Why not have next years Reunion at Ripon for the reasons stated ie it is the camps last year. Then make it the responsibility of say 1 Troop to come up with at least two venues for the 2010 reunion. The final choice to be decided at Ripon. It would also give people time to save up for a more exotic Reunion. The next years plans would fall to 2 Troop and so on.
Reply Ray Rowe
10:28 AM on June 21, 2008
As Ive already said its the last year for Ripon so I would like to go back one last time. Im with Frank H, it brought back great memories. Those with wives can book into hotels like last year but why not bring wives back in the evening,as some did, and all join together renewing friendships. We can then all meet together to decide on future venues etc, having two separate venues is not the way forward.
Reply Joe Carney
10:03 AM on June 21, 2008
Count me in for next year for Ripon. It was great and I am sure the people who couldn't make it this year and heard about our good time will want to come and perhaps have the sam e good time we had. So I am in favour going back to Ripon and discuss there between us the prospects of meeting at a later date. I hope this is of help.
Reply Frank H
06:14 AM on June 21, 2008
Jock Bruce once again you hit the nail on the head. All you whingers just read the comments on George Cowies reunion page. I was a bit dubious when I arrived on the Friday and saw the accomodation but that turned out to be one of the higlights and I am so glad I took that option. Just sitting round talking, going from room to room, using the ablutions and even (sorry Ray) staggering about in the dark at 2:30 am brought back so many memories. I will be going to Ripon next year if at all possible and I would advise anyone who can to opt for the barracks (try to get in the same room as Slim for his company as well as his beverages). The old camaraderie and special Shiny 7 atmosphere was very much in evidence. I would also like to attend any get together anywhere else but Ripon will always be no 1 on my calendar.
I've stayed in a few top class hotels over the years courtesy of my employers but I dont mind roughing it a bit. If any of you think it's a bit too basic just remember the boys in the gulf.
Reply Andy (Anderson)
05:18 PM on June 20, 2008
Dave, agreed, there are some of the guys who do not have computers and are therefore not easily contactable, they were obviously contacted before and who now has their addresses/phone numbers is anybodies guess, there are also a lot who may not be checking the site regularly, we first need to have one volunteer to take on the task of contacting the whole group who attended and collate all names/addresses/phone details and obtain the details you mentioned.
(Another suggestion) We could do Ripon again next year and have a period of time for a serious discussion, say one hour, when all what has been posted can be thrashed out, maybe form a committee and have a well organized, party atmosphere, 2010 Shiny 7 reunion.
Reply Frank H
02:45 PM on June 20, 2008
Hi everbody, haven't been on for a while due to family commitments but have been reading the postings. Regarding the reunion, I'm a bit surprised about some of the negative comments.I spent the full weekend in the barracks and enjoyed every minute of it. Everyone I spoke to seemed happy and were full of praise for what Andy, Bob and George had created and organised in a relatively short time.
Spud re political systems, there's an old saying that people get the politicians they deserve and we are suffering from what I like to call Apathetic Democracy, i.e. people who like to complain but won't get involved, and of course theres always the odd character who tried (and failed) to get his snout in the trough then complains about the ones who succeeded.
Reply Jock Bruce
02:31 PM on June 20, 2008
This is addressed to all ex members of 7 Sqn: Less than 6 months ago I was pointed to Georges site and then on to this one. I watched that what seemed out of nothing and thanks to just a few guys namely Bob - Ray - Andy - George. A Reunion come to fruition and while I could not attend due to health reasons I was looking forward to seeing the outcome. I enjoyed looking at the photos and from all that was said it was a great success. It now saddens me when people come up with statements like
( why can other Sqns etc ) and Ray and Andy have what seems to me make apologies. From where I am sitting you guys should have nothing to say sorry for.
Reply Ray Rogers
06:09 PM on June 19, 2008
Thanks to Spud, Fred, Andy and all others for support and talking common sense. We are getting views coming out now, as we need. All we need now is one or more person to come forward to offer to organise the event. I now state that if someone does come forward I will go along with whatever they arrange.
Reply Fred Sharp
05:42 PM on June 19, 2008
Andy,I have no doubt that Ray is doing a fantastic job trying to trace other guys from 7 Sqn, but I think its to much for one man,there should be a more concentrated effort from everybody,I am still trying to get hold of Pixie,( John Pickles ),Pete Raynor,Stewart Porter,Ray Terrel,& Chris Davis,so I would appreciate any help from anybody.
Reply Andy (Anderson)
03:25 PM on June 19, 2008
Sorry guys, you seem to have got the wrong impression yet again, I said nothing about guys approaching me after most had left the camp nor did I mention that the decision was made after every body was half pissed, for those of you who can remember, I made my suggestions to relocate the next reunion at approx 3pm, the same time that I asked Kenn Hart to say a few words, I was approached by a guys who wanted to return to Ripon next year immediately after Kenn Hart had finished speaking, no none made any response to the suggestion of having our own private do.

Fred, I also spent money which I have not asked to be returned, not least the £50 squids worth of beer which I placed on the bar, what I am saying is that if we are going ask one person to do the searching and he has to make subscriptions to websites then I think it only fair that we all chip in.
Reply Ron Wakeford
08:58 AM on June 19, 2008
Hi Bob I hope you do not mind as I said at Ripon I do not mind where the next re-union will be but I do agree with Steve Wilby and Fred Sharp, there were a lot of guys staying in the barracks including me and thoughly enjoyed it as well as talking to all the lads well into the night it was also nostalga wich was also great but in this case I really think majority should rule, and we all respect the amount of work you and Andy are putting in, I my self will be comingfrom Aussie but this time with the wife, all I ask is think about it and as it is 11 months away waite and see how the waters flow. Regards Ron
Reply Ray Rogers
04:54 PM on June 18, 2008
Contacting others: I have looked back at those I have located one way and another and that is satisfying enough in itself. I am willing to go on; if wanted by the majority although I find it is more of a winter's job than summer when there are other attractions like being on the river with beer in hand. On the subject of costs (and thanks to those who asked me at Ripon and have raised it on the site) I have and will continue to throw in printing, postage and telephone costs for the good of us all. I have so far invested £55 in 'credits' for searches and have a few left. Some contribution will encourage me to purchase more credits and search for more guys which YOU suggest. Bob how about a credit page naming those who contribute a fee?
The most important thing in coming up with someone to try and locate is GOOD INFORMATION. Christian names (sites do not use nicknames), wife's names, children's names, everyone's ages, last known address and year there etc.
Again I hope many will post their views/thoughts on this, not only the usual verbose ones. Come on guys speak out.
Reply Ray Rogers
04:37 PM on June 18, 2008
Reunion and members:

I have caught up with all posted so far on the subject and make the following comments:
When we learnt that next year would be the last year for the current arrangements at the barracks some of us therefore thought we should use the facilities again. Cheap, all arrangements made by others, food on hand and beer on tap, and nostalgia by the bucketful, no need to be involved in the REA to large degree, would be the first return to Ripon for any newcomers we get in contact with and I have a great affection for Ripon (the city). Having said all that I will meet up with you all again anywhere, anytime. BUT somebody has to arrange it. Anybody out there? Harrogate may be good venue; near Ripon for those who want to visit, it has large hotels catering for conventions etc, I have good memories of discos, night clubs and a casino (for late, late drinking and dancing). On the down side hotels may be expensive.

Guys are correct in saying we must try and reach those who do not post on this site. Do they read it? Bob can you email those who don't regularly post messages. Do we have postal addresses for all?
I agree with Andy's thought that 1 Troop will not deliberately keep themselves separate.
More thoughts/ideas please.
Reply Andy (Anderson)
03:53 PM on June 18, 2008
There was a slight mix up with 1 Tp last time as they got the impression that we had to be involved with the REA proceedings and therefore booked into hotels along with other guys who had brought their wives, I am sure that after seeing the reaction last time that other guys will no doubt want to bring their wives next time, what I did was to book my wife and her friend into a hotel and dossed in the barracks myself. the Corporals mess was chosen above outside venues because it was A. cheaper B. easy to find C. it was on camp etc. etc.

On the subject of new members, Ray Rogers was the man doing the hunting and has built up a wealth of experience in the job but at a price, which he paid out of his own pocket. I would like to suggest that if we are serious about trying to find some more of our long lost chums that we ask Ray to carry on but we MUST reimburse him and I would like to suggest a fiver from each of us would help, next question, how do we organise that?
Reply Andy (Anderson)
03:33 PM on June 18, 2008
It seems that next year is the last time the REA weekend will take place at Ripon as the camp is now being handled by a civilian company and the barracks is to be used for other purposes. This being so, it is our last chance to do this gathering at Ripon at these prices, the hotels in Ripon are a bit pricey and are just not large enough to take the potential numbers we may produce, we then need a function room and large dining room plus large bar, seaside hotels are geared up for this, have a range of entertainment on their records and out of season will strike a deal.

We did not know the format for the Ripon weekend so everything was a bit of an experiment, which in my view was a great success given the numbers present, It will also be the last chance for those, who after seeing the Sunday parade in town, would now like to take part. There is no requirement to take part in anything which the other REA organisations organise.
Reply Ray Rowe
12:41 PM on June 18, 2008
Ref next reunion. Im quite happy with Ripon for next year, as has been said this is the last time for Deverall Bks. It is also a good focal point for all and any newcomers, some of whom may want to take a last look at the place. I agree with Dave those who want to book a hotel with WAGS can do so and the others use the bks, it brought back quite a few memories. Theres nothing to stop everyone meeting during the evening time where ever that may be. Future venues can be discussed and decided upon over the coming year as can the formation of any `committee` etc. Lets test the water for the thoughts of those who hope to attend.
Regards Ray Rowe
Reply Bob
11:42 AM on June 18, 2008
Dave/Geordie
All points are valid ones. I still think we should go ahead with Ripon for the next reuinon,as you said people can book into a hotel and bring wives if they wish.
We will have to sit down and form an Association, and people to run it.
No one as yet has come forward with any ideas.
Reply Fred Sharp
11:35 AM on June 18, 2008
Just read Geordie Tate's message,I agree that the 2009 7 sqn Re-Union should be open for discussion. I am aware that some of the guys want to be a part of the Ripon Week-end and be involved with the R,E, Association,thats all well and good no problem with that.So can we not arrange a re-union on a different date,even a new venue that just involves the guys from 7 Squadron.,or is it going to be the same as last year when all the guys from 1 troop stayed at the Unicorn Hotel,and had their own get together.Most of the guys I have contacted don't want to be involved with the R.E. Association week-end and are definitely not prepared to bunk up at Deverell Bks,especially if some of them are bringing their partners.The feedback from Dave Biram sounds good to me,where they pick a venue which is changed annual,book a good hotel over the week-end,may-be have a dinner dance or some other form of entertainment,like Bill says the choice is endless.Note there are Hotels that specialize in these sort of get togethers,they only require the numbers,but it would mean every-one paying up front to alleviate last minute drop outs.Would be great if every-body could give some im-put or come up with any new idea's or suggestions or are we all happy to go along with the same format as last year.
Reply David Biram
09:00 AM on June 18, 2008
Sorry last one.I have one other point and that is recruitmnet of new members.I think we need to have a definative roll call Found and contacted and AWOL.If this is to continue we have insufficient members,guys will drop out for many reasons and we aint getting any younger. The other two sqns i have mentioned have an association fee of about £10 annualy.This provides audited expenditure such as postage phone calls searches.An occasional wreath (sorry).I do not think that people should shell out their own money on our behalf. I am willing to help where i can but from here has some difficulties but those are my thoughts lets hope others give theirs .We will only continue the success if everyones on board
Reply David Biram
08:50 AM on June 18, 2008
I have one thing which i think is important for the 2009 reunion if it goes ahead.I would prefer to have this one in Ripon using the RE Weekend as a point of contact .The reason for this is that this is the last year Ripon will be there ( Deveral)and we can not go back .We could be in a hotel together and for those who do not want to go into a hotel then the camp is there .For future years people could come to the 2009 reunion and present their ideas for a venue . which again is what we did in 29 sqn. The date can then be moved eg does not have to be ripon weekend cont
Reply David Biram
08:41 AM on June 18, 2008
but it appears this was not the case.
From my point of view and i had previously mentioned this to Bob and Ray i would prefer a Hotel, Wives /girlfiends ect to be invited and a weekend of entertainment in the way we have all become used to in the military way.The rates that can be acheived are staggering when you give an itinery to a hotel they realise makes them money. 29 and 60 sqn have been doing this for many years very successfully.I am aware of the cost for everyone and it has to be geared for a price for everyone a 5* hotel with 5 people is not a reunion neither will a doss house work. Cont
Reply David Biram
08:33 AM on June 18, 2008
Hi Geordie
I have been waiting since the reunion to find out what was discussed reference next years 2009 reunion.
Firstly I think last years (allthough i did not attend) was a fantastic effort on behalf of everyone to get up and running and have a reunion get together in such a short period of time.Bob and Geordie did a fantastic job getting the sites up and working.The idea of using Ripon weekend was sound as it reduced a massive amount of Admin from the organizers point of view,and as time was limited and we had no knowlage of each other it worked.
I thought that at Ripon these things were being discussed and input and ideas put together. Cont.....
Reply Jock Bruce
04:23 PM on June 16, 2008
Tony
As you know the Eager Beaver was a little bit like yourself. A little bit common and rough and ready but would go anywhere and do most tasks you wantad it for. It was designed by the army for the army and was almost RE proof. The Himac was like a RE clerk good round the camp but little else.
Reply Andy (Anderson)
01:02 PM on June 15, 2008
Bob, I think it was one and the same thing it was a Ramset bolt gun and black was the strongest, used to like it 'cos it made loud noises,

Once went on a low level air defence course, part of it was firing at remote controlled model planes with SCAT (twin) mounted GPMG's, had to change the barrels every half hour or so, they were so hot you had the likelyhood of a 'cook off' twelve thousand rounds in an afternoon, loads of fun. nearly as good as sex.
Reply Ray Rogers
09:28 AM on June 15, 2008
Dave: I remember the trial with guys locked in the APC. I seem to remember they did not last the alloted time; but then we all know it was not 2 Troop doing the excercise. Come on guys own up, who was it?
Reply Bob
06:56 AM on June 15, 2008
If memory serves there were 4 charges Black being the heavist Red, yellow and white being the weakest
Reply Bob
06:44 AM on June 15, 2008
Hilti or Ranset Bolt gun we had both
Reply Andy (Anderson)
06:07 AM on June 15, 2008
Dave, same old story, there is no problem until it arises and by then it's too late.

Little incident for you; Tp Sgt says "break it, put in a red cartridge, press it hard against the steel and pull the trigger, Anderson you have a go" I follow his instructions, 'BANG' "Anderson, you pillock you put in a black cartridge and now it's gone straight through the steel, what if there had been someone on the other side?", "Sorry sarge, can I have another go pleeease"

Name the machine
Reply David Biram
02:43 PM on June 14, 2008
Andy Remember it well,but it would be interesting to know who was in the APC i have a feeling it was 1 troop.Later in my military life i got a severe bollocking for being negative at a TEWT.It was NBC time and the troops were hypotheticaly locked down in there AFVs.We were being told they could stay in there for a very considerable period indeed .Being MT I said well until the filters need changing.The OC said well thats no problem you would change them.I said they are outside? silence for a few seconds.Well a man would be sent out to change them.I said who would be daft enough?He said well you would ask for a volunteer.I said and what if no one wants to be so foolish?By this time he was red in face and SSM was giving me the evil eye . Well then as the comd you would have to detail a man.I say how does he get back in contaninated? silence.You would not let him in.So what happens at the next filter change? Deadly silence prevailed .Staff leave the exercise and i will see you in my office tomorrow. Leave SSM biting my heels down the corridor. Why did they not want to know the problems and therefore find solutions .Wouldnt, well you have a very good point there, i will pass that onto the NBC school, 10 years later, delete leave man out there, insert shoot the poor sod. dry
Reply Andy (Anderson)
01:42 PM on June 14, 2008
I seem to remember some lads at Ripon spending some time, was it a week? locked up in a 432, an experiment by the OC to test the nuclear/gas capabilities of the 432, reckon it whiffed a bit when they came out, can anybody add anything?
Reply David Biram
09:38 AM on June 12, 2008
This sounds familiar rollThe Combat Engineer Tractor is a specialist armoured vehicle designed to support the Armoured Divisions in the event of World War 3. With a crew of two it had several special features, a bucket for digging and dozing, a rocket launched anchor to enable the climbing of steep gradients and the ability to swim it could also be driven from both seats in either direction.

Its dire reputation for breaking down, with anyone other than the POMs who crewed it, stemmed from the age old plant problem of spending 99% of its time sat on a vehicle park and not being exercised correctly. It was also one of the few equipments to appear in the Royal Engineer Museum, Chatham, while it was still in service throughout the Corps and its replacement hadn't even been designed.

Retrieved from "http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/CET"
Reply David Biram
03:51 PM on June 11, 2008
On a roll tonight but last one. got to put the chickens away before the Apprentice comes on.Graham Bream Ravelin Bridge Camp steep hill even on MT park.Defect on tracks all got to be removed for inspection by REME .Graham thinks latteraly why do one track at a time we can improve speed (its a 2 tp thing) take both off .Graham is guideing someone cant remember who .Second track knocked off .Graham holds up his hand "Check there" APC rolls off tracks and down hill ends up by tent guardroom .Luckily hitting nothing.He gets anothe APC goes down and recovers it .Tows it all way back up road dismounts for final positioning. As he stops towing vehicle he says to second driver being towed Check there APC rolls into back of towing vehicle DOOH He hadnt learned that the APC steers and stops with Final drive which of course needed to be fixed to track. lol
Reply David Biram
03:37 PM on June 11, 2008
Another funny one do you remember the Scammell, old type going past Wouldham, the unsecured spare wheel dropping off the top of the tractor, gaining speed then going at a good speed down the road .A german on a bike looked around just as the wheel hit him .Unfortunatly it killed him .Asked what was the last thing that went through his mind he said all that peddleing made him to TYRED to get oyt of the way
Reply Andy (Anderson)
02:41 PM on June 11, 2008
You sound like a dangerous st of buggers, I'm glad that all they gave me was a hammer.
Reply Jock Bruce
12:15 PM on June 11, 2008
Dave/Bob
I know the whole saga of the hubs on the minelayer it was RE Tech Svcs that wanted to put it on the road. They thought that the reason for keeping them off road was that there was no lights fitted and advised one of the Sqns that by fitting a lighting board that they could then be towed at any speed. I got the defect report across my desk in REME Tech Svcs and had to stop the REME fitting the trailer boards unless they were fitted with a 10 MPH Max sticker. It did not go down very well at the time. We had to get HQ BAOR involved and common sense ruled out. That was back in 1979.
Reply Bob Blakey
11:41 AM on June 11, 2008
Yes remember the crane incident.I think it was a 43 Spt Sqn op lifted the power pack from the rear position, a big no no.
Also remember nobody told us to take the wheel extenders off while towing the bar mine layer on the road.
We lost one , rolled accross the road but luckily nobody was coming the other way.
Reply David Biram
09:38 AM on June 11, 2008
Bob Do you remember the ferry build at Halton bridge camp? Lancashire. We had a problem wih the crane all day they could not stop the jib when slewing, REME had it all day then pronounced it fit.We had to lower the pontoon off the trucks as no space, the second power pack off, the crane was pulled over by the pack, fell on top of the other power pack and the revs went sky high as it was customery to start them (speed of build secret given away there )We all just stood there as the crane op climbed out of the crane, jib over the water and ferry both power packs destroyed, revs came to an end as engine seized as oil pipes smashed .Think PF was build commander. Bernie looked very upset
Reply David Biram
09:29 AM on June 11, 2008
Hi Bob yes remember that well, Wezup demo for nato engineers. If i remember rightly didnt the RTCrane have a problem turn over or somthing? Jock if you went more than about 10 MPH the barminelayer it used to tow itself to bits wheel cages, wheels, towbar In 29 sqn one of the guys arrived at the mine dump with the towbar the rest was strewn for miles.Do you remember when they tried to put a 1 tonne trailer on the back of 432 same problem fell to bits
Reply Bob Blakey
08:04 AM on June 11, 2008
Remember doing a demo of the
432 Hy-Cycle kit for NATO.
Wezup, Holland,1966, we also demonstrated the MGB and the RTC ( Rough Terrain Crane )
and the Thornycroft( Rolls Royce ) trench digger that week
Reply Jock Bruce
06:01 AM on June 11, 2008
I dont believe we used the power tool mode on the 432 much . I remember a few years later while I was posted to RTS I had to investigate when a young Royal Scot lost an ear when a grind stone broke using the power tools. Very dangerous I am glad you only did it once. I was also in RTS when we told the RE Tech Svc. They still could not tow the bar minelayer on German roads at speeds more than 10 mile per hour day or night But that's another story!!
Reply David Biram
05:46 PM on June 10, 2008
Jock Pascara was a bastard to start nearly ripped your arms out of the sockets,think i might have prefered bumping it.
Ray The Kit was called High cycle about as much use as a B & Q hammer drill.The same tools could also be used from the back of a 432 power take off .You had to change two leads over on the altenators.Only did it once burned out an altenator Hi Jock oh my
Reply David Biram
05:40 PM on June 10, 2008
Geordie T exactly right i was just waiting for the paperwork from Tommy Tomiczek who was OC 7 in aprox 2000-02.You must remember him he was a young fitter in the workshops in Hohne? did very well now LT COL.I will post of Georges site when he sends it to me.
Reply Ray Rogers
03:51 PM on June 10, 2008
Guys: Whilst talking about equipment did we at one time try high frequency electric power packs with various attachments, does anyone remember? Wherever it was I came across them I seem to remember they were not great.
Reply Ray Rogers
03:48 PM on June 10, 2008
Dave Biram: Who is this Mike you have secreted away? He's not ex Shiny 7 is he?
Reply Jock Bruce
05:30 AM on June 10, 2008
Bob
The Pascara Compressor got me the famous 5 hand wave from Billy Radbourn. We were all sitting having coffee in the LAD when in came Yorky Walker saying his pascara would not start So I says go Bump Start it Yorky. Off he went and of coarse we all killed ourselves laughing. About one hour later in strides Whiplash Billy saying he had just stopped Yorky towing and almost Jack Knifing the trailer and when asked what the F--K he was doing replied Jock Bruce of the REME told me to do it hence the 5 extras. I believe it was the same Yorky that filled the ballast tanks of his roller with diesel at Bridge Camp or was that someone else ???
Reply Geordie Tate
03:44 AM on June 10, 2008
Ref the name Shiny 7 the story goes after the first world war King George v after inspecting the sqn he commented that they should be known as shiny 7 because of the amount of medals they had on ther uniforms at the same time he decreed that all the sqn horses should be black.So there you are straight fromthe horses mouth smile. Can anybody remember a house just outside hameln with a front garden decorated with painted MK 7 Anti Tank Mines Concrete must have been all the ones the sqn missed.
Reply Bob Blakey
01:48 AM on June 10, 2008
Seeing Any's pic reminds me of another old
piece of kit " The Pascara Compressor"
remember having to push in the big button on the front then wind it up untill it made a loud bang and sprung to life.
Shit myself evey time
Reply Bob Blakey
05:00 PM on June 09, 2008
Andy/ Guys
That photo is now in the photo gallery
Reply David Biram
04:15 PM on June 09, 2008
Jurasic Park After 5 years I now have broadband coming 30 miles from another mountain to a box on my chimney the size of a mess tin.Spent last hour sorting Skype now bloody Mike wont work cant figure why.But at least i can see all photos on site will get mike sorted in time
Reply Andy (Anderson)
03:41 PM on June 09, 2008
Ray, every now and then the spade hits something solid and I think 'oh bugger' then I breathe a big sigh of relief when there is no explosion, one of these days I'll dig one up.

Shortly after joining 7, on some exercise, I was left, along with a few other guys in a six man tent, to look after a water point which had been built by the lads, pretty boring job washing out filters and waiting for bowsers to collect water, the entertainment consisted of chasing mice with a wooden mallet and seeing how flat you could get one with one hit, oh those days,,,,

George, I will send you a photo and see if anybody can name the filter machine pictured if you post it 'cos i'm buggered if I can remember..